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What if "Amble Archer" escalated in 1983...
« on: September 03, 2016, 05:33:03 pm »
Hello everybody,

what may have happend if the 1983 maneuvre of the NATO-forces escaleted to the nuclear war the Treaty of Warshaw fear it to be.

On the 7th of November 1983 the NATO troops started a big maneuvre to simulate an atomic case of war... due to the fear of the Soviet leadership this might cover a decapiation strike against them they looked very concernd to the "play" - everymoment awaiting the moment it flashes into a hot war. The double agent Oleg Antonowitsch Gordijewski gave the information how the Soviet staff viewed on the NATO-actions and the NATO avoid to play the game too deep - so the American president Ronald Reagan doesn't enther the bunker system and showes himself instead to public. So the situation was till 11th of November... Than the NATO goverments got aware of the dangerousity of the hole situation and stopped. Reagen got some idea how close they were to a nuclear war and started talks to detente.

But what if the NATO-officiales were desinterested to the information coming from Gordijewski?

What if they didn't beliefe in what he said... what if his messages didn't reach them in time?
What if the West-German Bundeswehr abuses the situation to recunite Germany in the military way - to rock the NATO troops with them eastwards!?
What if the first wave is stoppped and the Group of the Soviet Army in Germany sends their brandnew patch of T-64 tanks to the frontline?
What if the TOWmissiles of the Brandley M3 were inable to penetrate the Kontakt-3 ERA?
What if NATO dogma of the "flexible resopnse" was abused by the Bundeswehr to use the nuclear sharing to stop a Soviet Guards Tank Battalion by fiering a Nike Hercules rocket?
What if the Soviet troops answer with an attack of the 9M21G - as this variant is fitted with a 390 kg (860-lb) warhead - the tactical role of the weapon was obviesly top avoid the MAD - and so the battlefield went into a nuclear desert?
What if there is no airwar because the eastern forces were wiped out - but the NATO is not allowed to start bombers airplanes or helicopters because the Soviet ICBMs will be massivly started if any airplane is viewed?

There will be a battle of tanks and mechanisized infantry... and this is my unpleasant scenario...a ground warfare in the nuclear desert of the German-German-border region. A theater of war to toxic and contaminated to left the IFVs or tanks - 

The T-64 BV was quickly updated in the T-64 BV-Я (spoken: T-64 BV Dja) the cyrillic letter looking like a mirror-invnrted R is a Ja - a as the D in dungle and an a. It is the first letter of the russian word for nuclear warefare: Ядерная войнадерная война.

So I'll have to add several modifications to the T-64 BV-Я mostly due to the fall-out radiation:

  • nuclear-flash-sunglases to the optics
  • big dimensiones air-in-filters and flexible airtubes
  • further lead-packages on the hullsides and floor
  • enlarged ammo-box to the NSW 12.7mm gun
  • crane to handle them
  • front protection to the NSW mashinegun
  • lead coverd baggage also food & baverage boxes
  • widenes wheels to enhance the driving gears performance
  • radiation-safe shell casing eject hatch on the turret
  • NBC-secured hatch to the 7.62mm coaxial PTK machinegun
  • new wartime number & letter code on the backside of the turret
  • EMP-armour to vital parts
  • "redundand trackpices" and running wheels for a quickly highspeed repair
  • side damage after Syrian and Ukrainian prototypes
  • wire lying arround for the two Tows

 
As the tank is shown after the meeting with a nosly M2 scout - there will be a proper hit on the side Kontakt-3 (forerunner of the Kontakt-5) armour and a part of the side skirt is indrawn in the driving gear and the track has been broken and "unhorsed".     

Here a scetch of the skirmish at the advanced guard of a decontamination point "Lance" - the defender is in ligh blue the attacker in red colour. The M2 was scoutint for a way to sneak beside the river Elbe into GDR-terretory, the T-64 had to avoid this. So the M2 serched for cover behind an embankment and fired a TOW missile in a bow and hit. The radioman reported enthusiastic the kill...
and the T-64 identified the target (top part of the turret and the TOW twin launcher) wrongly as a AT-rocket group with a  TOW launcher on a 4WD-jeep

so the turret was moved and the autoloader put in a ATrocket - fired at 400 m/s fast the 9М112 «Кобра» (9K112 "Kobra" or AT-8 "Songster") left the muzzel and in the same moment the commander of the M2 saw his misjudgement due to the turning of the T-64's turret towards him and launched it's second TOW in the same moment as the T-64.

As the TOW had a maximum speed of 320m/s the Kobra hit first - changed the M2 into a ball of fire.

So my scenario for the diorama is the following: The T-64 moved foreward to look for enemy soldiers and technic - but lost his track by sideskirts and Kontakt-3 brackets in the gear and stuck beside his prey awaiting assistance to undo the mess in his drivng gear.

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  Hope you like it...

If anybody has some suggestions or historical criticism... please don't hasitae to write - I'm not really the best in III.WW scenarios due to the fact it's my 1st one... ;D

GreyOrk
   

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Re: What if "Amble Archer" escalated in 1983...
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2016, 04:06:19 am »
No pictures as your links are empty. Also the Nike Hercules is an Surface to Air weapon so taking out tanks with that would be difficult.

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Re: What if "Amble Archer" escalated in 1983...
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2016, 04:13:17 am »
I think if it had gone hot then it would have gone all the way and none of us would be here.

I've cleaned up your syntax so we can see your pics.

Welcome to the forum.  There's a thread somewhere where you can tell us a bit about yourself.

Hello everybody,

what may have happend if the 1983 maneuvre of the NATO-forces escaleted to the nuclear war the Treaty of Warshaw fear it to be.

On the 7th of November 1983 the NATO troops started a big maneuvre to simulate an atomic case of war... due to the fear of the Soviet leadership this might cover a decapiation strike against them they looked very concernd to the "play" - everymoment awaiting the moment it flashes into a hot war. The double agent Oleg Antonowitsch Gordijewski gave the information how the Soviet staff viewed on the NATO-actions and the NATO avoid to play the game too deep - so the American president Ronald Reagan doesn't enther the bunker system and showes himself instead to public. So the situation was till 11th of November... Than the NATO goverments got aware of the dangerousity of the hole situation and stopped. Reagen got some idea how close they were to a nuclear war and started talks to detente.

But what if the NATO-officiales were desinterested to the information coming from Gordijewski?

What if they didn't beliefe in what he said... what if his messages didn't reach them in time?
What if the West-German Bundeswehr abuses the situation to recunite Germany in the military way - to rock the NATO troops with them eastwards!?
What if the first wave is stoppped and the Group of the Soviet Army in Germany sends their brandnew patch of T-64 tanks to the frontline?
What if the TOWmissiles of the Brandley M3 were inable to penetrate the Kontakt-3 ERA?
What if NATO dogma of the "flexible resopnse" was abused by the Bundeswehr to use the nuclear sharing to stop a Soviet Guards Tank Battalion by fiering a Nike Hercules rocket?
What if the Soviet troops answer with an attack of the 9M21G - as this variant is fitted with a 390 kg (860-lb) warhead - the tactical role of the weapon was obviesly top avoid the MAD - and so the battlefield went into a nuclear desert?
What if there is no airwar because the eastern forces were wiped out - but the NATO is not allowed to start bombers airplanes or helicopters because the Soviet ICBMs will be massivly started if any airplane is viewed?

There will be a battle of tanks and mechanisized infantry... and this is my unpleasant scenario...a ground warfare in the nuclear desert of the German-German-border region. A theater of war to toxic and contaminated to left the IFVs or tanks - 

The T-64 BV was quickly updated in the T-64 BV-Я (spoken: T-64 BV Dja) the cyrillic letter looking like a mirror-invnrted R is a Ja - a as the D in dungle and an a. It is the first letter of the russian word for nuclear warefare: Ядерная войнадерная война.

So I'll have to add several modifications to the T-64 BV-Я mostly due to the fall-out radiation:

  • nuclear-flash-sunglases to the optics
  • big dimensiones air-in-filters and flexible airtubes
  • further lead-packages on the hullsides and floor
  • enlarged ammo-box to the NSW 12.7mm gun
  • crane to handle them
  • front protection to the NSW mashinegun
  • lead coverd baggage also food & baverage boxes
  • widenes wheels to enhance the driving gears performance
  • radiation-safe shell casing eject hatch on the turret
  • NBC-secured hatch to the 7.62mm coaxial PTK machinegun
  • new wartime number & letter code on the backside of the turret
  • EMP-armour to vital parts
  • "redundand trackpices" and running wheels for a quickly highspeed repair
  • side damage after Syrian and Ukrainian prototypes
  • wire lying arround for the two Tows

 
As the tank is shown after the meeting with a nosly M2 scout - there will be a proper hit on the side Kontakt-3 (forerunner of the Kontakt-5) armour and a part of the side skirt is indrawn in the driving gear and the track has been broken and "unhorsed".     

Here a scetch of the skirmish at the advanced guard of a decontamination point "Lance" - the defender is in ligh blue the attacker in red colour. The M2 was scoutint for a way to sneak beside the river Elbe into GDR-terretory, the T-64 had to avoid this. So the M2 serched for cover behind an embankment and fired a TOW missile in a bow and hit. The radioman reported enthusiastic the kill...
and the T-64 identified the target (top part of the turret and the TOW twin launcher) wrongly as a AT-rocket group with a  TOW launcher on a 4WD-jeep

so the turret was moved and the autoloader put in a ATrocket - fired at 400 m/s fast the 9М112 «Кобра» (9K112 "Kobra" or AT-8 "Songster") left the muzzel and in the same moment the commander of the M2 saw his misjudgement due to the turning of the T-64's turret towards him and launched it's second TOW in the same moment as the T-64.

As the TOW had a maximum speed of 320m/s the Kobra hit first - changed the M2 into a ball of fire.

So my scenario for the diorama is the following: The T-64 moved foreward to look for enemy soldiers and technic - but lost his track by sideskirts and Kontakt-3 brackets in the gear and stuck beside his prey awaiting assistance to undo the mess in his drivng gear.







  Hope you like it...

If anybody has some suggestions or historical criticism... please don't hasitae to write - I'm not really the best in III.WW scenarios due to the fact it's my 1st one... ;D

GreyOrk
   
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Re: What if "Amble Archer" escalated in 1983...
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2016, 02:04:14 am »
Hello Gonor...uuuuups am I worng? I thought as the Nike-Herkules is in my scenario used for EMPproduction I hoped to make clear why the lead plating is added mainly to the  top side.
  Thanks for your support!

I couldn't find the introduction thread...

So short & ugly:
46 and a modelbuilder fet up with the usual kits - so I decided to build something with a bit more thrill  ;D

Pictures will follow a.s.a.p. they are on my girlfriends digicam.

Here we are:
The hull is already ready without gear. I altered the bricking of the ERA lightly to get the frontplate reaktive armour bricks denser.

The sidescases were altered - I took a part of the flat fueltanks and a part of he storage boxes and mixed them - not a geart deal but a first brave cut with the surgean knife in my hand listening to Joe Bazell audiobook  "Beat the Reaper" :)

I also cut parts away with a cravingtool and sanded them with 600 paper looks like a bump so I decied to do more... so I craved a hit on a frontside ERA-brick and splinters sreading around as a RPG exploded malfunctionable without harming the ERA - behavouring as a mortar granade. I used the picture of the harm of a motargranade as a masterpice for the damage.
I'm forced to change my first solution to the filtersystem on the  engine top - due to the hanging over boxes and snorkelunit standing out quite far.
So the filtration unit has to be pushed backwards and the engin exhause will be changed to avoid a  prewarming air in - as we need it at steam loco with the water.
The sides of the Hull were laed covered, too using a aluminium assiette from some breakfast bread.
S same alterations force some more alterations and it was night and it was day and the weekend was over  :o

The turret is a quater done - I think abour using the still not placed gunnershatch to show a Soviet soldier with glases in a NBCsuite that fits to the frame of the hatch - butI'm not shure where to get the gasmask with this little  lenses inside...
I cover The  hole Turret with a leadring - similar to the PzKpfW IV H&J turret - as the Topside is already save

Here a German website about the T-64: http://www.t-64.de/frame-start.htm


Hope you like my stuff,

GreyOrk

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Re: What if "Amble Archer" escalated in 1983...
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2016, 11:45:48 am »
Hello,

here the  last progress:

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EDIT:

Here the first scetch of alterations:
the gun with the extra NBC-filter and the  EMP-resistent aiming-feature on the barrel - and a CRL (contamination-reducing-lid) on the muzzle. This because in the moment there is the breech block openes - radiation may come in. As the fallout is kept out the overpreasure in the tank but radiation has to be  kept ou by a layer of lead.

...and the heavier protected 12.7mm machinecanon on the turret - this gun is often used to save ammo for the maingun. The transport and bring in the hull is a possible source of contamination of the fighting room. So it is easier to exchange the 12.7mm ammobox outside of the tank - that is allways contaminated and can stay in this situation.
So the  ammobox will be enlarged  and several of them will be placed outside of the turret. The usual 300 shot will notr be enough - as we know from the Afghanistan theater.


...here the backside - the exhause has to be altered as a protection against warm-picture-cams and IR guided missiles. Cooling finns have to be added... in what way? And what do they look like? I Added some reserve track parts on the back part of the  fuelbox.


more ERA to the front to reduce the unprotected area of the tank. THe v-formed water protector may be srewed roughly on the front-


on the starboard side the alteration of the tank & storage boxes - the yellow is simple plasticsheet.


The demolishion of the boxes - see text above.


The turret alterations - leadcover protecting against EMPs...


...here a side view... a plenty of work will have to be done here to combine the complex structure of the ERA brackets and the radiation protection shilds.


...easy to see the un-leadprotected  front part of the turret side - the "Schürze" out of lead (not from Leeds!!!) will help here...


turret backside - a complex issiue doe to the storageboxes and the additive protection that will be added.

The misselguiding tool for the 9K112 "Kobra" will be added on the turrettop, too. As I prefer the longled variant the box is very high and may come in collision with the 12,7mm NSVTgun. I'll have to do some further development in this direction.


Hope you have fun -

tomorrow I'll hopefully be able to show further progress,

Yours

GreyOrk







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Re: What if "Amble Archer" escalated in 1983...
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2016, 06:14:50 am »
Some progress:


...the frontside hit


The crushed waterboard on the starboard side



the turret backside with the damaged pipes for deepwater driving...


Next step a grey brown anthrazit brown "easy to contaminate" colour will be added - after this a typical russian layer of  a white crossing stripes as a winter camouflage  layer... not as cubic as shown here but "more as a "netting-layer".

KLeep calm - and buld models!

GreyOrk

 


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