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P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« on: July 26, 2016, 08:39:27 pm »
An unusual development of the F-82 Mustang:


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When World War II ended, the venerable wartime North American Aviation P-51 Mustang spawned the twin-fuselage F-82 Twin Mustang. But history almost forgot the way the F-82 was in turn reworked in the form of a twin-boom, high tail attack plane, the A-51 Stallion, sort of a cross between a P-38 Lightning and NAA's later Bronco.

Like the string of other attack prototypes that appeared at the same (see the rest of this gallery) the A-51 program was dropped when the attack mission was abandoned by the newly formed U.S. Air Force, and only three YA-51 aircraft were built.
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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2016, 08:41:16 pm »
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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2016, 02:23:44 am »
IIRC they used the already manufactured centre fuselages from the cancelled Tri-Stang order to build the outer fuselages of the Stallion prototype, together with a new build centre fuselage and a different tail...............  ;)
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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2016, 03:42:31 am »
Stéphane is a member here, but hasn't posted recently. His stuff is at http://bispro.deviantart.com/gallery/24200217/Aviation

I think the main landing gear needs to be more towards the rear.

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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2016, 06:35:40 am »
That's a very attractive looking airplane
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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2016, 07:00:17 am »
I think the main landing gear needs to be more towards the rear.

Second that. The tail booms look oversized, even if the main landing gear was moved (much) further back.  :-\

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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2016, 08:34:55 am »
That's because they're pretty standard P-82 fuselages, minus the tailwheels and cockpits.
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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2016, 02:51:24 pm »
I think I need to build this. I have a built Monogram F-82 gathering dust...
I find it very hard to believe Academy would make a mistake like that he said sarcastically...

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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2016, 03:25:19 am »
Tigercat nose for the cockpit pod?

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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2016, 02:37:16 pm »
Someone somewhere suggested a P-80, which may be the route I go down as Airfix ones seem to pop up fairly regularly down here.
I find it very hard to believe Academy would make a mistake like that he said sarcastically...

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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2018, 10:15:48 am »
Reengining Mustang with turbocharged Allison, taken from P-38J.

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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2018, 11:30:06 am »
The P-80 nose was actually a P-38 nose.  Lockheed used the same jigs and tooling to save development time.

In case that's useful for sourcing parts, it looks like the P-38 nacelle isn't as long in the back however.

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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2018, 08:43:30 pm »
Yeah, OK Carlos, but where is the turbosupercharger?
Sorry dude, a turboed P-51 would not use the oil-cooler/intercooler
assembly of the P-38J nacelle.
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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2018, 10:05:00 pm »
^^^^
Why not? Can you explain your proposal.
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Re: P-51, A-36, F-82 Mustangs
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2018, 04:04:48 pm »
^^^^
Why not? Can you explain your proposal.
Because the intercooler on the V1650 Merlin used in the Mustang is located at
the rear of the engine, ditto the Allison used on the F-82. The big question is:
where do you put the turbosupercharger? There is limited room in the airframe
and you have the issue of the exhaust ducting to the turbine side of the
turbosupercharger. The run of the duct should be as straight as possible,
with any required bends as low a radius as possible. Go research
turbosuperchargers and installations and you'll see the issues involved.
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