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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2015, 01:55:00 pm »
That's going towards the top of my list for certain  :thumbsup:

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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2015, 05:56:31 am »
That's a good price  :thumbsup:
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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2015, 11:04:18 am »
Paul Martell-Mead and Barrie Hygates's Hawker P.1103 and P.1121 - Camm's Last Fighter Projects will be launched at the IPMS International Show in Telford tomorrow (7th Nov) with the book being signed and sold at The Aviation Bookshop stall from 1130hrs. If you fancy a copy, come along and grab one before they sell out.  Get it signed while you're at it. Paul and I will be around for a blah most of Saturday.

It will be available for ordering from Blue Envoy Press from Monday (9th Nov), priced at 11.95. Details to follow.

UK postage will be 1.75
EU Postage will be 5.30
USA Postage will be 7.60
Aus/NZ postage from UK will be 8.00.

I will of course combine postage and try to minimise the postage costs where possible.


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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2015, 10:14:23 pm »
Woohoo!

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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2015, 11:24:07 pm »
To order a copy of Hawker P.1103 and P.1121 - Camms' Last Fighter Projects, please send your Paypal payments to:

blue.envoy.services@googlemail.com

Any queries, please drop me a line at the same email address.

Costs:

Single copies are 11.95 each

UK postage will be 1.75 (total = 13.70)
EU Postage will be 5.30 (total  = 17.25)
USA Postage will be 7.60 (total = 19.55)
Aus/NZ postage from UK will be 8.00. (19.95)

I will, of course, combine postage and try to minimise the postage costs where possible.

Copies of Air Staff and AEW, Admiralty and AEW and Vickers VC10 - AEW, Pofflers and Other Unbuilt Variants are also available at 9.95 each plus postage.

I aim for same day posting when I'm at home.

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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2015, 04:12:39 pm »
Just finished reading the book, which I bought at Telford. Excellent job: highly interesting and full of information, but also very readable. I particularly appreciated the insights into the atmosphere and working relationships within Hawker in the 1950s. That sort of thing is hugely important in how things turn out, but tends to be missed by the 'lists of facts and events' style of writing that forms a huge chunk of aviation history. The artwork is good and the drawings are models of clarity. There's certainly a huge amout of raw whiffing material here to think about.

I pretty much agree with the conclusion, although I have to say that I think Derek Wood's comment about it being a 'British Phantom' has been generally misunderstood by being taken too literally. He was referring purely to the P.1121's export prospects, not making a direct technical comparison between the two types.

I only noticed one error: Page 30, middle column, last paragraph starts in the middle of a sentence with a comma. At a guess I'd say the missing words are something like "De Havilland were". That's a splendid strike rate (much better than some big publishers' efforts) and in no way detracts from the value of the work.

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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2015, 11:48:32 pm »
Just finished reading the book, which I bought at Telford. Excellent job: highly interesting and full of information, but also very readable. I particularly appreciated the insights into the atmosphere and working relationships within Hawker in the 1950s. That sort of thing is hugely important in how things turn out, but tends to be missed by the 'lists of facts and events' style of writing that forms a huge chunk of aviation history. The artwork is good and the drawings are models of clarity. There's certainly a huge amout of raw whiffing material here to think about.

I pretty much agree with the conclusion, although I have to say that I think Derek Wood's comment about it being a 'British Phantom' has been generally misunderstood by being taken too literally. He was referring purely to the P.1121's export prospects, not making a direct technical comparison between the two types.

I only noticed one error: Page 30, middle column, last paragraph starts in the middle of a sentence with a comma. At a guess I'd say the missing words are something like "De Havilland were". That's a splendid strike rate (much better than some big publishers' efforts) and in no way detracts from the value of the work.



Nice Review H, although Chris & Paul may draft you in as a proof reader on the next one  ;)

Paul has a separate section on the secret Projects site where some of the material that had to pulled to reduce the volume to the agreed page count will be made available to those owners of the book who are interested.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=56.0

A note on the drawings, if you do find yourself inspired you may find the drawings are available to download in the above section or if not you could always contact Paul and he may provided them if he can for personal use only.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2015, 03:38:32 pm »
Just finished reading the book, which I bought at Telford. Excellent job: highly interesting and full of information, but also very readable. I particularly appreciated the insights into the atmosphere and working relationships within Hawker in the 1950s. That sort of thing is hugely important in how things turn out, but tends to be missed by the 'lists of facts and events' style of writing that forms a huge chunk of aviation history. The artwork is good and the drawings are models of clarity. There's certainly a huge amout of raw whiffing material here to think about.

I pretty much agree with the conclusion, although I have to say that I think Derek Wood's comment about it being a 'British Phantom' has been generally misunderstood by being taken too literally. He was referring purely to the P.1121's export prospects, not making a direct technical comparison between the two types.

I only noticed one error: Page 30, middle column, last paragraph starts in the middle of a sentence with a comma. At a guess I'd say the missing words are something like "De Havilland were". That's a splendid strike rate (much better than some big publishers' efforts) and in no way detracts from the value of the work.


Apologies for the mistake, this is my fault, not Chris or Neil who proofread it. There are 3 minor layout errors I noticed as well. I did all the design/layout for the book due to Adrian Mann being unavailable at the last minute, and due to the hard deadline of Telford had to make some last minute edits after proofing based on feedback provided but did not have time to print and proofread last time before it was printed and introduced a few errors.

Next time I will aim to have the book completed earlier....
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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2015, 02:06:34 am »

Next time I will aim to have the book completed earlier....


That's what every writer says and every model builder says that they will have a certain model ready for a certain date/show. Saying that, this time I did manage to get a model ready for the show. Hope you liked my 4 Squadron P.1121.

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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2015, 03:22:16 am »

Next time I will aim to have the book completed earlier....


That's what every writer says and every model builder says that they will have a certain model ready for a certain date/show. Saying that, this time I did manage to get a model ready for the show. Hope you liked my 4 Squadron P.1121.

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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2015, 04:05:24 am »
BTW Did anyone get shots of the P1121 models on the Project Cancelled SIG stand, i actually completed the S&M resin kit on the Friday, packed it and displayed it with the original Whirlybirds one i built years ago. However like a prat i never photographed the stand and i gave Paul both models in thanks as he's not been a modeller for some many years and thought hw would appeciate a model of the aircraft he's spent so much time and effort researching (plus it gives him a chance to show his family and friends what his book is alll about  ;D)
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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2015, 06:35:24 am »
BTW Did anyone get shots of the P1121 models on the Project Cancelled SIG stand, i actually completed the S&M resin kit on the Friday, packed it and displayed it with the original Whirlybirds one i built years ago. However like a prat i never photographed the stand and i gave Paul both models in thanks as he's not been a modeller for some many years and thought how would appreciate a model of the aircraft he's spent so much time and effort researching (plus it gives him a chance to show his family and friends what his book is all about  ;D)

There's this -> http://s652.photobucket.com/user/JBricknell/media/SMW%202015%20WhatIf%20SIG%20and%20Project%20Cancelled/SMW%20222.jpg.html?sort=3&o=20

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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2015, 09:36:29 am »
yip I took individual snaps of the models on the table, im not sure how to post them up on here but iv added them to the 'East of Suez' Project Cancelled SIG. FB. page :)

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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2015, 10:21:55 am »
yip I took individual snaps of the models on the table, im not sure how to post them up on here.......

HOW long have you been on here Joe?  ;D :lol:
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Re: Hawker P.1103 and P.1121: Camm's Last Fighter Projects
« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2015, 10:10:54 pm »
Just in case you didn't see these yet - a couple of preview pages.




Feedback has been very positive, for which I am very grateful. Thanks to everyone who has bought it so far!

Christmas isn't far away - why not buy a copy? You deserve it :) :party:
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