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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2014, 06:51:28 pm »
I like the idea. I'm sure it could/ would work.

Also love that TSR.2 beating up the Loch. Wow.

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2014, 01:17:24 pm »
The 1,000 nm sortie was specified as:
  • Economical cruise to 650 nautical miles from the target
  • 100 nautical miles at a speed in excess of Mach 1.7
  • Descent at maximum speed to less than 200 feet and a speed in excess of Mach 0.9
  • Deliver a 2,000 lb weapons[/i]
    • Return to 200 nautical miles at low altitude and a speed in excess of Mach 0.9
    • Return to base at economical cruising speed and altitude
    The odd 50 nautical miles in the outbound leg is taken up in the ascent and descent.

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2014, 02:12:50 pm »
I thought of a scenario where a and "older" almost worn out TSR2 takes off from ascension to bomb stanley/tierra del fuego and then land with the aid of arrestor hook which the TSR2 was designed for, landing/crash landing on the Hermes
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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2014, 05:14:53 pm »
That aircraft would then have to be pushed over the side to clear the deck for normal ops. Very expensive air raid.
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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2014, 12:28:39 am »
Could the Hermes even take the weight?  It was never cleared for Phantom ops....

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2014, 04:59:54 am »
I know this is possibly off topic but can anyone confirm that the 1/48 Airfix TSR-2 kit is just  pantographed from 1/72. I've built the 1/48 kit three times in one real and two whiffs and found it straightforward enough. Will I find the same issues in the 1/72 kit or are there other vices? Tempted to go the whole hog with aftermarket sets.

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2014, 05:24:25 am »
I know this is possibly off topic but can anyone confirm that the 1/48 Airfix TSR-2 kit is just  pantographed from 1/72. I've built the 1/48 kit three times in one real and two whiffs and found it straightforward enough. Will I find the same issues in the 1/72 kit or are there other vices? Tempted to go the whole hog with aftermarket sets.

In a word....no.   The 1/48 one goes together a whole lot better than the 1/72 one, but, the 1/72 one is more accurate in shape.

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2014, 05:47:06 am »
I thought of a scenario where a and "older" almost worn out TSR2 takes off from ascension to bomb stanley/tierra del fuego and then land with the aid of arrestor hook which the TSR2 was designed for, landing/crash landing on the Hermes
Could the Hermes even take the weight?  It was never cleared for Phantom ops....

No a TSR2 could not land on a carrier.  Really too far fetched for a credible WHIF scenario.  TSRs was too fast, too heavy, not strengthened for carrier ops.  The arresting hook on the TSR2 was for land based barrier engagements, not for carrier ops. Land based barrier engagmenet are very different from carrier based arresting gear in how much strain they can take and place on the aircraft.  The Hermes arresting gear had long since been removed with the conversion to Commando carrier, and even then would not have been able to handle a TSR2.  If you wanted to go with a one way mission, the crew would slow down, set up for a controlled ejection and eject over land or near a freidly ship.

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2014, 12:39:24 pm »
I have an AH scenario in which TSR.2s from South Georgia are used to stiffen a raid by carrierborne Buccaneers against Stanley. There again, the war opens with Argentine Vulcans bombing Ascension.

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2014, 01:23:02 pm »
That aircraft would then have to be pushed over the side to clear the deck for normal ops. Very expensive air raid.

yeah that was my idea being an old TSR2 they'd just unceremoniously dump it off the back, very wasteful but I think good British initiative, the end result would be the same the argies keeping back mirages on the mainland to defend against a strike on tierra del fuego or commodore rividavia.

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2014, 01:48:33 pm »
This is giving me some great ideas for a TSR-2 whiff. Let's just say for arguments sake (and the glorious world of whiff) that the fuselage etc has the strength for carrier landings. Those awful wobbly legs have gone and a pair of serious beefcake affairs like on the SU-24 have been fitted. Now the fun bit.....we take those luverly wings and do to them what Mr Vought did to the Crusader, but as the wing lifts up it reveals at the forward junction point an intake such as found on a certain *&$%^&*$"$%^  ;D machine we are acquiring. This leads into a long elongated s-curve forward to a vertically mounted lift engine and voila....a well-whiffed STOL capability.

Now tell me someone else has already done it :banghead:.

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2014, 05:49:46 pm »
Not quite, but I did build an FAA TSR2. I called it a Barracuda and added a third Spey boost engine housed in the bomb bay of the Vigilante fuselage which was melded with the TSR2 one. It also has Vigilante wings with the tips turned down. Naturally they're longer....  ;D



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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2014, 10:17:22 pm »
Oh, now I do like that.  :ph34r:

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2014, 12:22:41 am »
Not quite, but I did build an FAA TSR2. I called it a Barracuda and added a third Spey boost engine housed in the bomb bay of the Vigilante fuselage which was melded with the TSR2 one. It also has Vigilante wings with the tips turned down. Naturally they're longer....  ;D





You mean Olympus?

Great looking whif tho..... :thumbsup:

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Re: TSR2 range
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2014, 08:48:24 am »
No, the two main engines are Olympuses (Olympii?) but the boost engine is a Spey, it says so in the backstory which I think is around here somewhere.

The kit was an Merlin TSR2 and as it's impossible to build a TSR2 from it I had to do something else...
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