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AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« on: May 28, 2011, 10:29:02 pm »
Curious- what's the turret ring size(s) of the AEC armoured car Mk.II and Mk.III?

Mark.II has a 6-pounder, yet Mk.III has a QF 75mm AND an extra crewman; what role does that crewman play and where in the armoured car is he situated?
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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2011, 01:07:47 am »
Different turrets.  The Mk.II used a Valentine turret.  The Mk.III used a modified Crusader III turret.  The "extra" crewman was the loader on the gun.

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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2011, 08:06:48 am »
The "extra" crewman was the loader on the gun.

Does the gunner have a seat in the hull or  was something creative was done to turret arrangement?
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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2011, 04:54:35 pm »
The "extra" crewman was the loader on the gun.

Does the gunner have a seat in the hull or  was something creative was done to turret arrangement?

As far as I am aware, it was a bog-standard Crusader Mk. III turret up-gunned with a 75mm to replace the 6 Pdr (which was possible as the British 75mm was created using a 6 Pdr gun rebored initially to 75mm and retained the 6 Pdr mounting).  The gunner and commander were provided with permament seats while the loader had a flip down one but normally stood during engagements.
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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2018, 05:23:31 am »
There seems not to be a more general armoured car thread.
So I thought i'd put this here.

Something i've been pondering for the upcoming RAF 100 GB.  A Russian BA-3 with a Rolls-Royce pattern turret.
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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2018, 09:27:20 am »
The #1 source for armoured cars on the web:
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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2018, 11:18:36 am »
The "extra" crewman was the loader on the gun.

Does the gunner have a seat in the hull or  was something creative was done to turret arrangement?

As far as I am aware, it was a bog-standard Crusader Mk. III turret up-gunned with a 75mm to replace the 6 Pdr (which was possible as the British 75mm was created using a 6 Pdr gun rebored initially to 75mm and retained the 6 Pdr mounting).  The gunner and commander were provided with permament seats while the loader had a flip down one but normally stood during engagements.

The Crusader turret was used on the Staghound armoured car not the AEC . The AEC Mk III  turret was purpose built for the vehicle and of a unique design. Although the AEC was quite tall , it was nevertheless a very successful vehicle.

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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2018, 05:46:56 am »
The interesting thing about the Ba-3 with RR turret is either how large the turret is, or how small the BA is ? Neither overly so, they could pass as being slightly different scales.

So maybe when British and Soviet forces moved into Persia, as was, in 41 or 42 ? the RAF Regiment acquired a couple of BA's in exchange for a couple of bottles of Johnny Walker ?
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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2018, 10:21:13 am »
The BA-3 and the R-R are pretty close in overall size, the Rolls being roughly 4" longer, the Rolls turret was large.
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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2018, 02:43:43 am »
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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2018, 04:11:48 am »
I adjusted the turret to match the size of the ring on the BA-3.
Turkey had BA-6s and possibly BA-3s so I figure it was acquired by RAF forces in the general Palestine/Syria region and then had the turret replaced.  I will come up with a vaguely plausible story.
I will be scratchbuilding the turret to fit the body.
Eventually I will also build my Roden Royce armoured car and knock up a small diorama.
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Re: AEC Armoured Car or British Armoured Cars in WWII
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2018, 06:21:00 am »

Eventually I will also build my Roden Royce armoured car and knock up a small diorama.

With the "Roller'" looking down it's nose (radiator) at it's proletarian stable mate ?  ;D
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