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I know there was another thread devoted to this theme but in GB subforum: http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,23920.0

Has any profiler tried a turreted Hetzer?  :thumbsup: ... I know, it would not be a tank killer ;D but I am thinking obsesively in this idea ... :banghead:
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2010, 08:12:58 am »
I'm assuming you mean a more modern turret then the origional tank design ? If so how about an M3 or M5 light tank turret ?
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2010, 09:04:34 am »
^^^^
Yes, I do not mean Praga. I mean a turret with a small/medium gun (like Luchs, for example) to make a recon tank (like Luchs, for instance ;D )
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 07:12:30 pm »
You mean like the SdKfz 140/1?



Basically a 38t hull with a modified superstructure and a SdKfz 222 turret.
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 11:55:43 am »
Something like this?, found in this amazing site: http://alternathistory.org.ua/node?page=1
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2010, 06:53:01 pm »
A Hetzer or Stug with a turret as well as the main gun, like the Lee/Grant and Char B2? It would be more difficult, since the centrally-mounted breach would be harder to work around than the US and French tanks' offset guns.

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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2010, 08:14:47 pm »
How about this combo: Panzer III chassis, Hetzer-style internal arrangement with long-barrel 75mm gun (modified to be loaded from the left) to the right hand side, and Panzer 35(t) turret to the left hand side?
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 06:24:29 am »
Some interesting ideas here ... Stug III, hetzer, turret ... Thinking hard :unsure: :thumbsup:
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2010, 02:31:02 am »
How about this combo: Panzer III chassis, Hetzer-style internal arrangement with long-barrel 75mm gun (modified to be loaded from the left) to the right hand side, and Panzer 35(t) turret to the left hand side?

Apart from being tremendously cramped, I can't see much point in it.  You'd need to raise the hull significantly and even then, like the M3 Grant/Lee medium tank you'd encounter the problems of having your main armament in the hull and not the turret which leads to all sorts of problems when trying to adopt hull down positions.
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2010, 04:34:59 am »
I'd imagine a Panzer I turret would be the ideal for close defence of a Jagdpanzer. Any infantry team is likely to be sneaking rather than charging, so you're going to need a high volume of rifle-calibre fire at short range: two MG-34s should do nicely... :wacko:
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2010, 05:25:03 am »
^^^^^
Interesting idea. :thumbsup:
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2010, 07:55:36 am »
You'd need to raise the hull significantly and even then, like the M3 Grant/Lee medium tank you'd encounter the problems of having your main armament in the hull and not the turret which leads to all sorts of problems when trying to adopt hull down positions.

I was indeed thinking along the line of the M3 Medium......

But then again, I after suggesting the scheme couldn't recall Axis forces being known to use their 37mm as an anti-personnel weapon like the US did......
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Elefant, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2010, 09:38:32 am »
And ideas for Elefant ... it is so COOL :mellow:
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Elefant, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2010, 11:24:05 am »
And ideas for Elefant ... it is so COOL :mellow:

Maverick did a Flakpanzer Elefant (with Gepard turret)  :thumbsup:...... could also mount a howitzer turret instead, too.
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Re: Gun equipped Tank Hunters: Hetzer, Elefant, Kanone and so many more ...
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2010, 12:40:16 pm »
<...> could also mount a howitzer turret instead, too.

I'm pretty sure Greg did a profile of one of those, but I can't find it at the moment.
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