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F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« on: April 28, 2009, 06:36:24 pm »
In an attempt to make a "poor man's Lancer", I tried mating the wings, horizontal and vertical tail  from an Academy YF-16 to an F-104 (in 1/72 scale).  To date I have done three; the first '104 used was from Hasagawa, it is overall Grey; markings pirated from an F-101B. It is the 2nd in the line up, to the left of the TN ANG '104.  More to follow.


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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2009, 06:39:37 pm »
The next '104/F-16 combo used an ESCI F-104, and is in a white/orange scheme (one of the test birds).  Decals pirated from an F-100, '101 and '86.

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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 06:44:09 pm »
The third and to date last '104/F-16 combo again used the ESCI '104; it is in NMF, white wings, and totally ficticious markings.  It is, after all, a What if World.  Here it is shown with the other two '104s.  I will try for clearer photos in the near future. 

I plan to add several more to the fleet, as soon as I can get some additional 1/72 F-104s.   

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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 06:55:07 pm »
Here are a few more 104s, with a Lancer (courtesy of MCollazo) thrown into the mix.


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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2009, 12:47:22 pm »
Looking very sexy all loaded up like that.  Good job.   :thumbsup:

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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 04:34:44 pm »
I thought that the T-tail was the cause of problems, with both the F-104 and F-101.  I recall reading that the Air Force was very concerned about the pitch-up with the '101, and were considering a major mod to install a conventional tail until MacAir came up with a stick shaker.


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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2009, 01:11:54 pm »
That makes a really interesting modification doesn't it?...it's almost a second glance kind of thing...looks right!... :thumbsup:
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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2009, 01:16:13 pm »
In doing the mod (which was extremely easy, BTW), I could not help but think what a good airplane that would be in real life.  With an F100 turbofan and F-16 wings, the '104 so modified should really be something; throw in F-16 avionics and it think it would have given the real F-16 a run for its money.

Too bad the USAF did not listen to Kelly Johnson; he was hardly ever wrong.


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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2018, 12:38:15 pm »
I did not see this thread before I came up with this combination.

CF-104E which is an ECSI CF-104A with Hasegawa F-16D wings and if I can make it work, General Electric F110-GE-129 or Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220/220E replacing the Orenda J79-OEL-7.


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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2018, 12:43:59 pm »
Does it come with a red fuselage like that out if the box?
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2018, 12:53:41 pm »
Yes it is to my surprise. This boxing:

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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2018, 02:26:55 pm »
A bit like the Revell Snark kit then, you need sunglasses just to build the model!  :o
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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2018, 11:46:00 pm »
There was also a Tiger Meet Starfighter from ESCI, and it came in bright yellow!

Looks like a very good upgrade! Could it be that the wings need some trim at the wing/fuselage intersection, so that the wing tip rails are parallel with the aircraft's longitudal axis?  :o
Curious about the looks with the F-16 fin (and a T-tail, I assume) - I really like the concept.

Makes me wonder if MiG-21 wings could be transplanted, too, for an alternative high speed version?
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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2018, 04:50:47 am »
I've got some decals to do that red 104 Carl --
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Re: F-104 with F-16 wings and tail
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2018, 01:25:18 pm »
A Modernized F-104?