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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2008, 02:42:31 pm »
I wonder how the He-112 would have looked later in life it had beat the Bf-109 and then followed a roughly similar development path.  A Db-605 engined variant?  30mm cannon underwing?

What about some other re-engining - Jumo213 with annular radiator?  Radial - say a BMW801?

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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2008, 03:58:09 pm »
I've pondered on this subject for a while now. Could you use a cowling design similar to the He111 cowling? You could remove the oil cooler from the top and add it under the fuselage or the wing. Later versions could use a Jumo 213 in a similar shaped cowl.
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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2008, 06:38:31 am »
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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2008, 10:46:39 am »
by Craig Burke (anyone know him?) - he has quite a few whiffs - see here.

Look at the last model Japanese Fugu :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2008, 11:10:36 am »
Would the HS-12Z engine fit the He-112?

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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2008, 09:07:12 pm »
I've pondered on this subject for a while now. Could you use a cowling design similar to the He111 cowling? You could remove the oil cooler from the top and add it under the fuselage or the wing. Later versions could use a Jumo 213 in a similar shaped cowl.

I meant could you do this to a He112?  I should have stated that in my question. Sorry.
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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2008, 11:03:34 pm »
I've pondered on this subject for a while now. Could you use a cowling design similar to the He111 cowling? You could remove the oil cooler from the top and add it under the fuselage or the wing. Later versions could use a Jumo 213 in a similar shaped cowl.

I meant could you do this to a He112?  I should have stated that in my question. Sorry.

I suppose, but why and which version of the He 111 cowling?
The more-or-less circular cross-section P/H series with the big radiator probalby wouldn't fit.
Anyhow none of the 111 cowlings are aerodynamically or aesthetically any better than the He 112B series cowling.

If the concern is the top mounted oil cooler installation (which was also a feature of the He 111), the simplest thing would be to fill it in and make a smooth upper cowl.

Another option would be to do a general cleanup of the cowling, something along the lines of what was done with the Ju 87D.

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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2008, 05:31:38 am »
Whichever style of cowling was used, a He112 with a Jumo 211 would be a fairly potent fighter.
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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2008, 07:47:14 pm »
He-112 V6 in Finn Colors but Italian markings making the roadster-style ride more palatable.........
He-112 V6 in Japanese lJN grey with the rising sun (USN Sundowners style) tail........
He-100 in a simple RLM 82/83/Sky scheme............red trim.

He-100 in Bugatti Blue, nothing else.


He-112 with a much extended wing span minimising that truncated look from above.


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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2008, 12:54:51 am »
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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2008, 12:12:16 pm »
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The former would never have used Messershmitt bits and the latter would never have allowed them to be used.

I don't think the creator of these necessarily thought that Messershmitt bit s were being used - I think its more of a case of what if the He-112 beat the Me-109 back in the '30s and then followed a similar evolutionary path.

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There was at least one He 112 with a DB601 and the cowling is nowt like that used by a Bf 109G.

Well given the 109G used the DB605, I wouldn't imagine they would ne ;D.

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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2008, 01:05:18 pm »
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The former would never have used Messershmitt bits and the latter would never have allowed them to be used.

I don't think the creator of these necessarily thought that Messershmitt bit s were being used - I think its more of a case of what if the He-112 beat the Me-109 back in the '30s and then followed a similar evolutionary path.


Even if they had followed a similar evolutionary path Lee is correct, a developed He 112 would NOT look like a 109G or a Messerschmitt anything.

People seem to be stuck on the notion that swapping engines between aircraft means that airframe manufacturer X's cowling design ends up on airframe manufacturer Y's aircraft, the only time this is true is when dealing with engine manufacturer developed power-eggs and that was predominantly a Brit thing. US installations of the same engine were all very different.

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Heinkel He-100/113
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2008, 10:44:03 am »
Yeah, "Craig Burke" is me, and that was my pic of a "He-113T" on the carrier deck.

I have long been fascinated by the "He-113". I have a 1940 book on the Battle of Britain that has the He-113 mentioned as well as the Bf-162 "Jaguar" (glass-nosed Bf-110 lookalike). I truly think that Germany missed the boat, er.. plane by not DEVELOPING the He-100/113 into a world-beater fighter. Part of the He-100's drawbacks is it's diminutive size which limits ordnance, fuel, etc. I truly believe that the Kawasaki KI 61 was partially derived from the He-100 (the Japanese bought several He-100s to study, just about the time the KI-60/61 series was being conceived), and when you look at that fighter you can see what the He-100 might have become with a little development. The He-100 fighter had 1945-era speed in 1940!! The Germans failed to capitalize on it and forced Heinkel to stick to bombers.

My He-113T has an underscoop for its radiator, like the P-51 Mustang, where the scoop has a gap between it and the fuselage so as not to interrupt the boundary-layer. This might have solved the persistent cooling problem and kept the streamlining. I used a lesser-span Spitfire 22 wing to keep the Gunter Bros elliptical wingplan with a modern airfoil. The semi-bubble canopy is from a He-162.

I have a bazillion Lindberg He-100's (only 79 cents when they came out) and at one time wanted to do a "desert" scheme, but with the cooling problems in Northern Europe, it would seem that the desert would be out of the question. I thought maybe the Italians would take the He-100s off German hands.

I had thought of making a "Japanese Expeditionary Air Force" in Italy with a KI-61 or modified He-100 to explain the KI-61 "Tony" Allied Code Name for a similar plane in the Pacific. The KI-61 was at first thought to have been an Italian fighter license-built in Japan. I would love to see a KI-61 in Italian camo.

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"Nanzan" to the Rescue!
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2009, 09:47:52 am »
I recently purchased a Tamiya 1/72 M6A1-K "Nanzan", wheeled trainer for the float-equipped "Seiran" Panama-Canal-Bomber. My intention was to use the plane for a Super-Suisei Japanese dive bomber almost OOB. My enthusiasm was tempered by a few surprises, mainly that the Nanzan was NOT longer than the Suisei (the Seiran was, but that was merely the additional "length" of the floats) etc. The super-Suisei I have envisioned will take a LOT of extra work, but it will still happen.

But...my eyeballs saw in the Nanzan the EXACT He-100 shape and size in the cowling profile, noted the clever radiator setup (looking a lot like the He-112), and my whif mind LEAPT to the possibility (now CERTAINTY) of using the Nanzan for a He-100 upgrade. I have an old He-280 Vac-formed wing that would lend itself, and a P-51 tail (same shape as the He-100). When holding the MPM He-100 close to the eye, and the Nanzan farther away, the "scale-o-rama" effect is perfect--the wing/tail/nose proportions are the same (scaled up a bit), that is, if I hold the wing root of the He-100 over the wing root of the Nanzan, the nose and tail line up perfectly! The Nanzan tail is overly large, but the He-100 tail seems too small, anyway. I may knock down the Nanzan tail to more He-100 proportions. The result will be more like a 1/64th-scale He-100, as if Heinkel knew he had a good thing for a racer, but it was just too small for military development. Thus an incremental increase in size was just what was needed.

NOW WE'RE TALKIN'!!

I have always wanted to do a He-100 in "desert" camo with the native-and-Africa emblem, but felt it rather dubious, considering that the cooling system on the He-100 was inadequate for even northern climes, but HERE...in the Nanzan.... is the answer!!

I have SOOOOOOO many other modeling projects in the pipeline, that this sudden, bright inspiration might go unfulfilled for quite some time, but....!!
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Re: Heinkel He-100 and He-112 Fighters
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2009, 08:30:37 pm »
Something different:



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