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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2007, 12:23:38 pm »
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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2007, 12:00:35 am »
D'OH !!!!! :dum:  
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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2007, 06:09:50 am »
You're welcome Archie!!!!!

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Yep, desktop is right & wallpaper for the actual background picture.

EDIT, makes a change, at work I normally get credit for other peoples feck-ups! <_<  <_<  <_<
« Last Edit: December 16, 2007, 06:12:16 am by Mossie »
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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2007, 12:55:29 pm »
Well, its not a Viggen, though you could convert one into it -  this 1972 Dornier fighter concept was on Secret Projects:



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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2008, 05:31:28 pm »


 Actually, I was thinking of an Swedish F-106 in a Viggen-style Splinter scheme.... ;D


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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2008, 06:49:37 pm »
How about No. 74 Squadron?   
VFA-103 Diamondbacks?
JSDF Aggressor Viggen?



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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2008, 10:20:59 pm »
How about an advanced Viggen with the RM8 replaced by two RM12s and more effective canards?
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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2008, 09:45:59 am »
How about an advanced Viggen with the RM8 replaced by two RM12s and more effective canards?
An enlarged, twin engined, twin seat Viggen is an idea I've had in mind for a long time. I'm thinking more towards the 1960's though, with a much bigger plane, with twin RM8's as a Swedish TSR-2 type, but using the Viggen's configuration. This could be in line with the abandoned A.36 nuclear bomber project.

Hmm, use wings, inlets, and canards from a 1/48 Viggen with two 1/72 Viggen aft fuselages and a mix of bits from all three kits?
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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2008, 10:13:49 am »
Do I ever talk about my idea of a SEAD/DEAD Viggen??

They were so much vaiant of the plane, what about a new one with HARM/ALARM missile ability, radar replaced by a jammer or electronic suite and of course, twin seater??
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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2008, 10:33:17 am »
That's a good idea Pollux.  ALARM is probably the more likley with Swedens good relationship with the British arms industry, probably liscence built to retain some level of neutrality.

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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2008, 11:12:26 pm »
Great idea for a SEAD Viggen!

How about a dedicated jamming bird (probably based upon the 2 seat SK 37) with lots of jamming pods underneath?  I know 10 SK 37s were converted into SK 37E electronic warfare trainers, but what about a truly operational A 37E?

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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2008, 12:17:38 am »
Great idea for a SEAD Viggen!

How about a dedicated jamming bird (probably based upon the 2 seat SK 37) with lots of jamming pods underneath?  I know 10 SK 37s were converted into SK 37E electronic warfare trainers, but what about a truly operational A 37E?

For the A37E, how about one centerline drop tank, the equivalent of two AN/ALQ-99 pods, plus a mix of self-defense missiles (two IR AAMs and two ALARMs - alternatively, if the air-to-air threat isn't there, four ALARMs) on the other four hardpoints?
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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2008, 05:10:48 am »
hmm, i am building a matchbox Sk37 viggen at the mo' and was wondering what markings to put it in.  :huh:

i can only find a reference from martin h's what-if notes to possible RAAF use, which isn't much use as i don't
have enough RAAF roundels to do it. so i was thinking of KLu / Dutch AF markings as a two seat air defence a/c.

would that work? it would have two AIM-9, two AIM-7, a centerline droptank and perhaps an ECM pod. the
scheme would be the same colors that the KLu F-16's used when they entered service.

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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2008, 05:33:00 am »
Trev

See if they have a copy of the Ian Allen's Modern Combat Aircraft: SAAB Viggen. Like the Nimrod one i used for the Nimrod exports the Viggen volume also mentions the possible export options.

AFAIR The Viggen was touted as a Starfighter replacement along with the Mirage F-1 and F-16. JASDF was also mentioned along with the RAF, cant remember which others however

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Re: Saab Viggen
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2008, 05:36:58 am »
Hi Trevor!

Here are some alternative customers for the Viggen (with Australia too):

-The Viggen was considered by the JASDF but it was rejected for political and operationnal (lack of range) reasons.
-Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway also considered the Viggen for the Deal of the Century, so the Dutch AF markings just make sense.
-The Viggen was also a contender in the Indian purchase where the Jaguar finally won (the Viggen was out because the US didn't want to export the engine anymore).
-Austria thought about buying the Viggen twice: first when they finally bought the Draken (the Viggen was considered as too "agressive" for a self defense force, due to some political tensions with USSR), second time when they had to replace the Draken (second-hand Viggen and second-hand or new-build Gripen lost against the Typhoon)

We can also imagine that it the Viggen won the Deal of the Century, maybe Italia could buy or rent some second-hand aircrafts instead of F-16.
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