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Offline Riksbar

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WHIFs from ARC
« on: May 25, 2007, 12:25:17 pm »
I nearly did until I did a double take.

A very nice job indeed. :wub:  
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2007, 01:42:04 pm »
I thought that it was a whiff but I wasn't really sure, allied a/c of WW2 isn't my strong suit.  
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2007, 02:07:39 pm »
I still say it's real ! All those in agreement say 'beer', or 'eye'. Or beer.....

Neat stuff !

 
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2007, 02:24:07 pm »
Whiff it is, but cunningly wrought, almost like the early Tempests that flew with the Typhoon's tail units.

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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2007, 03:22:07 pm »
Well there was a real Centaurus powered Tornado  (I've got a Maintrack conversion for that), but this is really good, quite convincing.

http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/tornadoradial.jpg
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2007, 07:54:28 am »
I missed it. :huh:  
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2007, 01:36:02 pm »
I still say it's real, I tells ya ! Real !

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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2007, 09:46:07 pm »
Beautifully done piece of work, whiffy, but not far enough out to catch the eye at first.  Also, it's not -that- improbable given the Centaurus-Tornado and the problems with the Sabre engine (mind you, I understand it's a bone of contention, still, as to how much of this was perception due to mis-rigging and how much was real).  I love it.
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2007, 11:05:19 pm »
The story of the Tornado/ Typhoon/Tempest/ Fury family give me headaches. Hawker was rather prolific these days!!  :wacko:
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(PS I totally fell in love with the Tempest I, MH559 prototype. Superb aircraft, a pity the Sabre IV killed it!)  
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2007, 04:01:22 am »
I suspect that they would have needed clearer identification markings than that  to operate in the same theatre as FW-190s.  I reckon their major cause of losses would be friendly fire.
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2007, 06:46:15 am »
Beer! :cheers:

I've got to admit, I'd probably have missed it, confusing it with it the Tempest II & I agree with Archie, all the various powerplant & airframe connertations that Hawker went through tax the memory a bit!
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2007, 07:23:26 am »
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Beer! :cheers:

I've got to admit, I'd probably have missed it, confusing it with it the Tempest II & I agree with Archie, all the various powerplant & airframe connertations that Hawker went through tax the memory a bit!
Don't want to hijack the thread, but here's a short resume...

Tornado = Vulture+ chin radiator
Typhoon = Sabre + chin radiator.

The 3rd Tornado was changed into Tempest II prototype (with a Centaurus).
BUT
The Tempest V entered service first, with... Sabre II and chin radiator.

So, what are others Tempests (1/ 3/ 4) ?

Tempest I had a... Sabre IV, without chin radiator (radiators were on the wings, giving it superb look and superlative performances. Pics welcome guys! :wub: )

Tempest III and IV were to be Griffon powered variants (!!).
The IV never flew, the III prototype was changed into... the Fury prototype. But that was not the definitive Fury!
The TRUE Fury prototype was another aircraft!

The Former Tempest III, now 2nd Fury prototype flew with different engines (3 differents engines from 1945 to 1947, Griffon, Centaurus and finally... back to the Sabre, in its -VII, 3500 hp variant... stopped by the end of WWII!!)

A true nightmare!  :wacko:  :blink:  :dum:

In the end, there was 5 variants of the Tempest.

What is interesting with this prolific Hawker family is the fact that they tested ALL powerfull british, WWII-era piston-engines (Griffon Vulture, Sabre, and Centaurus).

 
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2007, 10:51:38 am »
And if you add the hurricane it gets more complex still.  Hurricanes were fitted with Bristol Hercules & RR Griffons as an experiment into alternative powerplants, in case of problems in supply of the heavily used Merlin.  Several Russian Hurricanes were fitted with the Asch 82 engine & when Yugoslav Hurricanes were delivered without engines after they were diverted to the RAF just prior to war breaking out, they were fitted with DB.601's instead!

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I suspect that they would have needed clearer identification markings than that to operate in the same theatre as FW-190s. I reckon their major cause of losses would be friendly fire.

Exactly what happened with the Typhoon I, you can imagine it might be more likely with a Centaurus powered aircraft.  Two of 56 Sqns Tiffies were shot down by freindly aircraft because the crews hadn't been breifed about the new type.  This led to the early Typhoons wearing the white tail until crews were familiar with the type.
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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2007, 11:00:18 am »
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And if you add the hurricane it gets more complex still.  Hurricanes were fitted with Bristol Hercules & RR Griffons as an experiment into alternative powerplants, in case of problems in supply of the heavily used Merlin.  Several Russian Hurricanes were fitted with the Asch 82 engine & when Yugoslav Hurricanes were delivered without engines after they were diverted to the RAF just prior to war breaking out, they were fitted with DB.601's instead!

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I suspect that they would have needed clearer identification markings than that to operate in the same theatre as FW-190s. I reckon their major cause of losses would be friendly fire.

Exactly what happened with the Typhoon I, you can imagine it might be more likely with a Centaurus powered aircraft.  Two of 56 Sqns Tiffies were shot down by freindly aircraft because the crews hadn't been breifed about the new type.  This led to the early Typhoons wearing the white tail until crews were familiar with the type.
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And if you add the hurricane it gets more complex still. Hurricanes were fitted with Bristol Hercules & RR Griffons as an experiment into alternative powerplants, in case of problems in supply of the heavily used Merlin. Several Russian Hurricanes were fitted with the Asch 82 engine & when Yugoslav Hurricanes were delivered without engines after they were diverted to the RAF just prior to war breaking out, they were fitted with DB.601's instead!

You're so cruel with me!!  :lol:  :lol:
 
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

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Re: WHIFs from ARC
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2007, 12:50:40 pm »
Oh no, what have I done??? :blink:  :(  :wacko:  
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