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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2005, 09:44:24 pm »
Well, got one of the kits today and I was right to get two, I'll definitely be doing some carving here to fit everything together properly.  I might need some help with the rear canopy since I've not done any canopy forming in way, way too long.
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2005, 07:43:42 pm »
I've meant to ask, is there enough interest here for me to take the extra time to do this conversion with masters to allow others to make it?  Is there the interest?
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2005, 01:09:53 am »
Okay, did a second round of "cut 'n' paste" engineering on a 3-view of a T.12 (thanks, Joe):

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I can see that I need to further refine the contours and that I'll not be able to use as much of an existing canopy as I'd originally figured for the master of the aft one.  Well, that's why I'm doing this step, to get a better handle on what I need to do here.
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2005, 09:55:21 pm »
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Evan, would that Hunter not need an additional fuselage section aft of the wing?  It just looks unbalanced to my untrained eye.
Hmm, you might be right about that, Wooksta.  I'll have to play with that, too, in my next effort at "cut 'n' paste" engineering.  Properly done, it'd gve you some more room for fuel and improve the overall fineness ratio, I'll work with it.

Added by Edit: I went back and looked at the internal layout of the Hunter aft fuselage and I think I'd be inclined to either do a larger vertical tail, along the lines of what was done with the original two-seat Harrier or add a constant cross-section bit just aft of the wing and move the entire engine, tailpipe, aft fuselage aft.  I'd rather go with as simple an approach as possible to keep parts, construction, etc. as common as possible; might not have a choice, though.  If the problem turned out to be primarily one of cg, I'd look at moving the engine aft without changing the lines.
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2005, 01:22:29 am »
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Evan, would that Hunter not need an additional fuselage section aft of the wing?  It just looks unbalanced to my untrained eye.
Hmm, you might be right about that, Wooksta.  I'll have to play with that, too, in my next effort at "cut 'n' paste" engineering.  Properly done, it'd gve you some more room for fuel and improve the overall fineness ratio, I'll work with it.

Added by Edit: I went back and looked at the internal layout of the Hunter aft fuselage and I think I'd be inclined to either do a larger vertical tail, along the lines of what was done with the original two-seat Harrier or add a constant cross-section bit just aft of the wing and move the entire engine, tailpipe, aft fuselage aft.  I'd rather go with as simple an approach as possible to keep parts, construction, etc. as common as possible; might not have a choice, though.  If the problem turned out to be primarily one of cg, I'd look at moving the engine aft without changing the lines.
After giving the matter some thought, it occurs to me that the most likely avenue toward balancing the aircraft's aerodynamics would be a pair of ventral strakes on the aft section as this would allow standardization of aft fuselage structure.  Weight and balane considerations could be accomodated with suitably placed balance weights and the engines upgraded to either one of the more powerful later versions of the 200-series Avon (like the Avon 211 in the Sea Vixen) or a dry variant of the Avon 300-series.

I've done another cut at defining the lines of the four-seater, but haven't yet added the strakes:

Here it is!

I"m thinking of two strakes on either side of the airbrake and starting just aft of it (might as well pick up existing structure ;) )

Comments?

Oh, I should note that my stash now includes two Matchbox Hunters to be used in developing this concept, likely with masters so that further models of a four-seater can be made.
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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2005, 01:41:54 am »
Now I can see that being used as a VIP transport as well as a trainer. Looking like a Hunter should Evan - smooth and class.

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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2006, 06:45:46 am »
Still got a 1/48th Hunter and I'm thinking of doing a Frankish example, "Crusades" thread.

But it's a damned boring, no...BORING aicraft, so what can I add to it to make it look attractive and interesting?
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2006, 06:49:06 am »
Add spats! It's a proven fact that spats add to the look of any aircraft!

I love spats!  :wub:

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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2006, 08:00:23 am »
Make it a turbine powered prop job like those early Yank VTOL types, add a big honkin' contra prop from a pogo or somat. Do her up in NMF and Stars N' Bars.

Or, make it CDN. Nowt boring about leafy roundels.

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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2006, 08:01:41 am »
Change it into a P.1091 adding a delta wing!  
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King Arthur: What are you then?
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Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

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« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2006, 08:55:45 am »
Well you asked:



On Friday July 6th 1979, villager and holidaymakers had a miraculous escape when  an out of control RAF fighter jet ploughed into the village just yards away from a loaded petrol tanker. The pilot, who was on a training flight, experienced control difficulties and had to eject into the sea leaving his Hawker Hunter jet to crash into the sea. Instead it veered towards land, hurtling at 250mph and a major disaster seemed inevitable. But it was nothing short of a miracle when the jet ended up wedged in a 12' gap between Klymiarven Guest house and King Arthur's Terrace, Tintagel, damaging just three cars, a greenhouse and a swimming pool in it's wake.
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« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2006, 09:09:18 am »
There was was a plan to mount Firesteak or Sidewinder on Lighting-style mountings as part of the Aden gun pack - may even have been flow in aerodynamic trials.  You could put an AI23 in the nose as well.  And an afterburner!

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« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2006, 09:11:17 am »
Just look at the end of BSP. There's a pile of mutant Hunters between number 1080 and 1135...  
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« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2006, 10:02:55 am »
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Add spats! It's a proven fact that spats add to the look of any aircraft!
 
Not just spats, rigging as well!
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« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2006, 10:24:48 am »
Cover it in gold leaf, Sultan of Bruni's personnel aircraft  :D  
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